tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347513.post115514549322276603..comments2023-11-05T04:03:35.548-08:00Comments on BART Musings: Got bumped by a bike todaybartmusingshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16327844700926513435noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347513.post-1155462237372587982006-08-13T02:43:00.000-07:002006-08-13T02:43:00.000-07:00Tsk tsk on her. Sometimes I say "They could give y...Tsk tsk on her. Sometimes I say "They could give you a ticket for that."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347513.post-1155225940487157042006-08-10T09:05:00.000-07:002006-08-10T09:05:00.000-07:00What they need is a special "bike car" on some tra...What they need is a special "bike car" on some trains where they take out half or all the seats and just have a big open car for people with bikes.<BR/><BR/>Of course, this only address the car space issue, and not the rude people issue....<BR/>-AAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347513.post-1155189199981556392006-08-09T22:53:00.000-07:002006-08-09T22:53:00.000-07:00Thanks for sharing your insight and for being one ...Thanks for sharing your insight and for being one of the considerate bikers. <BR/><BR/>Some train operators do a decent job kicking out bikers during commute hours. One in particular on the Pittsburg/Baypoint to SF route....he would literally yell over the speakers saying, "The gentleman who just walked onto this train with your bike- please exit immediately. This is a commuter train only- I repeat please remove your bike and exit immediately."<BR/><BR/>Maybe train operators ought to be the ones enforcing the bike rules on trains? I don't know for sure how this operator knew, but I'm assuming he was carefully monitoring either through a window or video cameras.<BR/><BR/>Whatever he did, it worked!bartmusingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16327844700926513435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347513.post-1155186732825829472006-08-09T22:12:00.000-07:002006-08-09T22:12:00.000-07:00Bikes are a big problem that BART doesn't deal wit...Bikes are a big problem that BART doesn't deal with.. <BR/><BR/>Yep, many (not all) are rude, they don't follow the rules, they use the elevators or the side gates to fare evade.<BR/><BR/>The rules can be enforced by the california vehicle code (see the bike rules)<BR/><BR/>Most Station Agents dislike the bikers that don't follow the rules, but it is BART Police that are supposed to cite them.<BR/><BR/>BART Police do not support or help the Agents catch the bikers, so the Agents give up and turn a blind eye.<BR/><BR/>Over the years the bikers created a "east bay bike coalition" to push their way on the trains (which they should be allowed to, but pay for the room they take, anytime). They fight any restrictions with politics and with disregard for the rest of the public.<BR/><BR/>I ride my bike, and I don't want to get flamed here. But I've seen attitudes of some bikers that make the rest of us look bad.<BR/><BR/>BART Police needs to step up the enforcement of the rules, but they won't. And many Agents will continue to turn a blind eye, since they can't do anything.<BR/><BR/>And the public will continue to see bikes on escalators, bikes fare evading, bikes on commute trains taking up space for 2 and paying for 1, and the occasional bike grease on the seats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347513.post-1155173445139846972006-08-09T18:30:00.000-07:002006-08-09T18:30:00.000-07:00I see bikers walk in and out of the side gates all...I see bikers walk in and out of the side gates all the time without paying. When will someone actually start enforcing rules more seriously? I don't mean to generalize but whenever I look at the station ticket agents, they're looking down doing something but never looking at people who are walking right in front of them!<BR/><BR/>I have yelled at bikers on BART before for their lack of consideration- in addition to breaking "no bike" rules, they actually don't even have the consideration to remove their bikes to the side so people can actually sit or stand comfortably.bartmusingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16327844700926513435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347513.post-1155168570295227832006-08-09T17:09:00.000-07:002006-08-09T17:09:00.000-07:00I completely agree, or at least make it a last car...I completely agree, or at least make it a last car only policy (which wont work because the same riders that arn't obeying the rules now won't follow any new ones that come along either)<BR/><BR/>I have a fealing that Bart will always take the stance "look into it" until something happens on the trains and people get hurt because the bikes were on the trains. Then they will hide behind the rules that they don't enforce now and start some BS "strict rules" campain which will work until it becomes old news and everything goes back to the was that it is now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347513.post-1155154118153807142006-08-09T13:08:00.000-07:002006-08-09T13:08:00.000-07:00I'm getting tired of bikes being on BART during th...I'm getting tired of bikes being on BART during the commute hours. For the most part, the bike riders are down right rude.<BR/><BR/>The BART bike rules say people bringing bikes onboard must "yield to other passengers, and not block aisles or doors..." but I see this happening every day. These rude people seem to prefer the sideway seats by the doors. They sit down then place their bikes in front of them, thus blocking the seat.<BR/><BR/>In spite of the fact that BART says "(r)egardless of any other rule, bikes are never allowed on crowded cars", they are quite often on crowded cars. Hell, just by the fact that the bikes take up so much room, the cars become crowded.<BR/><BR/>BART is a people mover, not a mover of bikes. They should be banned.<BR/><BR/>I've written BART about this but all they said was that they'd look into it.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00613747909261246369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17347513.post-1155150984931971212006-08-09T12:16:00.000-07:002006-08-09T12:16:00.000-07:00bikes are not allowed on escalators. If the woman ...bikes are not allowed on escalators. If the woman was too frail to carry her bike up the stairs she should have used the elevator. <A HREF="http://www.bart.gov/guide/bikes/bikeRules.asp" REL="nofollow">BART Bike Rules</A><BR/><BR/>That's really dangerous, if you had fallen back as a result it could have started domino situation on the escalator and really injured people.<BR/><BR/>Frankly, if you're going to attempt to carry a bike on the escalator you should rest the tires on the stair treads, with the bike tilted at an angle. Still breaks the rules and is dangerous, but it would avoid the "tired arms" problem....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com